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Circuitbenders Forum => Banter => Topic started by: Circuitbenders on February 02, 2010, 02:48:16 AM
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I can't be the only person here who has noticed the ridiculous prices rises on ebay for certain machines over the past year or so and i'm wondering if this is the direct result of forums like this, and people getting into circuitbending.
Putting the outrageous cost of a VSS30 aside for a moment, about 3 years ago you could get a TR505 off ebay for about £20-£30 and you wouldn't be paying more than £30-£40 for a TR626. I've just done a check of completed items on ebay and the average cost of a 505 is now over £50 and anything up to £80-£90! A 626 will cost you from £60 to over £100!
Plainly people aren't buying this stuff for its music making potential as a normal machine. If they are then they are idiots. ::)
If someone had said to me 5 years ago that i wouldn't be able to buy a speak & spell machine for under £25 i would have laughed at them.
£20 including shipping for a Casio SA1? Has anyone here ever paid more than £2 for an SA1?
I can't wait for the car boot sale season to start again. We seem to have priced ourselves out of the ebay market. >:(
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the thing that bothers me the most is that just a few years ago you could find almost anything on ebay for dirt cheap. people would just list whatever they had. now people only seem to list things that they think will bring a big payoff.
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I've never paid more than £20 for an RX17, the world has gone mad
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280457524553 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280457524553)
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i have noticed this trend too.
i have an idea....if we can get circuit bending outlawed all over the world, maybe casio keyboards would sell cheap, and we can be rennegades!
okay...bad idea. but, we have to think of something! ;-)
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i give up:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280457531374 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280457531374)
and the average price for a speak&spell appears to have gone up to about £45-£50
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the first rule of circuit benders club, nobody talks about circuit benders club.
the second rule of circuit benders club, nobody talks about circuit benders club!!! ;-)
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The price rise is down to people who know that they can make good money from circuit bending, the prices that some machines go for when modified means that £20 for an unmodded SA-1 is a good investment. New music always comes about when new instruments are available, boundaries are broken down and the whole thing moves on. Take the TB-303, I paid £45 for my first one and am now just about to pay around £1,200 for my next one. I have just seen a Devil Fish unit up for almost £3000, if it sells then an investment of £1,200 at the start point makes very good business sense.
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I see you've got yourself a new IP address, username and email then S-CAT? I could have sworn you were banned. ::)
Shall i just ban you now or do you want to wait until you've annoyed people enough to make it necessary?
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I don't know why anyone would pay more than about £100 for a TB-303. They're shit, and they're relatively easy to make. There are no magic unobtainable bits in them apart from the CPU, and you'd be replacing that with one that responded to MIDI anyway.
TB303s are the most grossly overrated pieces of crap out there, and I say that as a TB303 enthusiast and as someone who has spent many hours coming up with an acceptable TB303 synth plugin. Jeez, 1200 quid? Are you off your head? You could buy ten Redsound Darkstars for that, or five brand new Novation Xiosynths. WTF do you want a TB303 for?
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personally i love the sound of the 303 but i agree, in itself a real TB303 is a piece of crap. £1200 is absolutely absurd, especially when you consider that you can build a decent x0xb0x for about £100 or so and i can guarantee that nobody in their right mind would be able to tell the difference in a blind test when its actually playing in a track.
Having said that, people are willing to pay £50,000 or so for some vintage Les Paul as if its going to make them any better a musician than just spending £500 on a modern equivalent thats exactly the same. People spend up to £800 on a 70's Tone bender or 60's Fuzz Face pedal like its actually going to be a better sounding fuzz than something you've knocked up for £5 with the exact same components.
People are idiots.
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just noticed this thread!
your telling me about ridiculous priices....
i went on ebay and had bids on 5 different speak n spell auctions.... the reason being is tht my speak and read died a death... and im gaggin for a new unit to bend! ...each one went for at least 25quid! :'(
i got a cuple bids on a few more atm, but i somehow doubt ill be winning them!
..any one know where i can get one from?
=]
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I wouldn't bother with a hardware speak'n'spell. Grab the example LPC10 codec source off the 'net, encode some speech and then write a wee proggy to flip some bits in the resulting stream. Perfect results every time...
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ah hahahahaaaaaa
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110535689665 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110535689665)
:o :o :o :o
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i feel sick...
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Renco sound fx machine how much! :o
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-70s-REMCO-SOUND-FX-MACHINE-Chip-Analog-Synth-/150447684923?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item2307617d3b (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-70s-REMCO-SOUND-FX-MACHINE-Chip-Analog-Synth-/150447684923?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item2307617d3b)
really these things don't sound that good
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I read about people getting SA-2s for £2 or 50p... I bought mine off of eBay for £10! And, that was the cheapest! There were ones going for £21 and £30! It's madness! And don't get me started on the Casio SK-1!
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i have a speak and spell
ner ner ner ner ner
....ahh maturity
..that is all
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and so we come to the ultimate in absurd pricing
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160448116413 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160448116413)
Yes, thats an average condition standard TR606 for the bargain prioce of £750, but it comes with a carry case so thats alright then. ;)
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Nutter! he surly hasn't got a chance of getting that price for any of the stuff he has for sale
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its alright, he's now put the buy it now down to £395............... still a little unlikely i suspect. ::)
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this takes the biscuit £275 for a Boss dr-55 :o My mind boggles
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROLAND-Boss-DR-55-Dr-Rhythm-Drum-Machine-boxed-MIJ-/280576145344?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item4153a437c0 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROLAND-Boss-DR-55-Dr-Rhythm-Drum-Machine-boxed-MIJ-/280576145344?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item4153a437c0)
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Its curious that the people who put these things up for absurd buy it now prices invariably have to mention every tiny little detail regardless of its importance, like it somehow validates their outrageous valuations. Its never just Boss or Roland, its always 'Roland Japan', like theres any other kind of Roland. Theres always something like 'a small amount of sticky tape to one end of the battery cradle' like its some kind of museum exhibit that needs careful restoration by an expert, and they are always obsessed with mentioning and photographing the serial number, like it actually proves something!
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To a degree it's a self perpetuating situation because a lot of people will look up values for things on ebay before listing their own stuff, often just copying a previous listing. How often do you see VL-1's or Speak & Whatevers listed as "rare" (although the Speak & Read is scarcer - I'm pretty sure it was never released in the UK? Maybe wrong). I find it quite funny when you see people who are obviously selling off their kids old toys with the "can be circuit bent" tag line. It's just so damned easy to buy stuff on the 'bay though, especially after a few ales...
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To a degree it's a self perpetuating situation because a lot of people will look up values for things on ebay before listing their own stuff, often just copying a previous listing. How often do you see VL-1's or Speak & Whatevers listed as "rare" (although the Speak & Read is scarcer - I'm pretty sure it was never released in the UK? Maybe wrong). I find it quite funny when you see people who are obviously selling off their kids old toys with the "can be circuit bent" tag line. It's just so damned easy to buy stuff on the 'bay though, especially after a few ales...
I'm with you on all of that ;) "rare" which is funny because most are usually always available on ebay and loot and stuff for sale etc - i went through a silly stage of emailing people who put "can be circuit bent" asking how and were is the evidence of this ! hahhahaha i was usually pissed and stoned ::) - i need to build a breathalyser rigged up to by pc which stops me from bidding if iam over the limit.
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Jeez, 1200 quid? Are you off your head? You could buy ten Redsound Darkstars for that, or five brand new Novation Xiosynths. WTF do you want a TB303 for?
Do you think that maybe the reason for buying such sought after machines is the investment value? The TB-303 is worth £1,200 + because that is what people are willing to pay, including my self. I bought my first one for £45.00 and my second for around £100
The TB is unique and the sound it makes and the operation is so simple, that is the appeal of them. The x0x box is a very good attempt at recreating the sound but it just does not make your spine tingle like the real thing, it is not just about the sound with the TB-303, it is also about owning a piece of musical history.
Due to the flood of x0x boxes on the market, they are never going to be as desierable as the original TB-303. You also mentioned that the TB is easy to build but you would need the CPU, the original CPU from a TB-303 is worth more than a self built xox box and there is a very good reason for this...
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hmmm, so is it better, or even at all reasonable, to spend £800 on an original 1970 Tonebender fuzz pedal when you could build one indistingushable from a vintage one with exactly the same parts for about £5? Much like a TB303 you'd be buying a piece of musical history, but you'd also be an idiot. ::)
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Much like a TB303 you'd be buying a piece of musical history, but you'd also be an idiot. ::)
You would be a rich idiot in around 20 years time, when they reach a value that would make you cry when you look back at this thread and think, now who was the idiot here?
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Much like a TB303 you'd be buying a piece of musical history, but you'd also be an idiot. ::)
You would be a rich idiot in around 20 years time, when they reach a value that would make you cry when you look back at this thread and think, now who was the idiot here?
I saw a Roland SH101 in Holburn Hifi in Aberdeen, way back in 1991. Fifty quid. Cheap even then.
"Oh, Malc said he was going to buy that", says Gav.
"Aw okay then, I'll let him get it. I'm a bit short of cash this week anyway."
A few days later, "Hey Malc, did you get that SH101?"
"No, I was skint. Did you get it?"
"No... shit."
But alas, it was gone. Bugger. Fifty sheets for an SH101. I saw a scruffy-looking one on eBay for 600 the other day. Bugger bugger bugger.
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The TB is unique and the sound it makes and the operation is so simple, that is the appeal of them. The x0x box is a very good attempt at recreating the sound but it just does not make your spine tingle like the real thing, it is not just about the sound with the TB-303, it is also about owning a piece of musical history.
Due to the flood of x0x boxes on the market, they are never going to be as desierable as the original TB-303. You also mentioned that the TB is easy to build but you would need the CPU, the original CPU from a TB-303 is worth more than a self built xox box and there is a very good reason for this...
You don't need the CPU from a TB303. It doesn't do anything clever. You don't need the special magic transistors from a 303. They're not doing anything clever either.
It's really easy to build a perfect copy of a TB303. I built two while researching how to write a softsynth recreation (I gave up and made it TB303-styled rather than a slavish clone, because I realised I preferred it my way).
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You would be a rich idiot in around 20 years time, when they reach a value that would make you cry when you look back at this thread and think, now who was the idiot here?
i do see your point, but i buy music gear to make music, i'm not an antiques dealer. i'd imagine theres people out there who own a TB303 and an x0xb0x, but keep the TB303 locked away in a cupboard as they're scared of devaluing it by actually using it.
I'd like to own one yes, but not for £1500! Even if i won the lottery and had money to piss away i wouldn't buy one for £1500 as its both absurd and obscene in my opinion. A mate of mine used to own a TB303 but he sold it and bought 2 well built x0xb0x's, an xbase09, a sampler, a mixing desk and some FX units with the money!
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The weird resonance bump circuit and accent/decay time trick that the 303 has is tricky to emulate on "normal" synths - quite easy to do in software, but then you have other problems - but other than that it's a one-trick pony.
You can't throw gear at the problem and hope it will mask a lack of talent. You can have a dozen TB303s but if your programming sucks, your music will suck.
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Back on topic - who wants to explain why this Roland CR78 is currently on £500 with two days to go having had 10 BIDS!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140467124443 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140467124443)
The CR78, theres another one i don't understand. Its a piece of 70's home organ crap isn't it? Its probably fun to own one for about a day, but £500 worth of fun?
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You can't throw gear at the problem and hope it will mask a lack of talent. You can have a dozen TB303s but if your programming sucks, your music will suck.
I am sure that my TB-303 programing is ok, I have been mentioned on the Wikipedia TB-303 page as one of the originators of the overdriven sound from many years ago, I also had a few releases on pioneering labels such as Smitten, Phantasm etc. as Interlect 3000.
The thing that makes the TB-303 so unique is the quirks that it has, which as you say are hard to emulate. My argument is, why emulate when the real thing does the job properly?
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Back on topic - who wants to explain why this Roland CR78 is currently on £500 with two days to go having had 10 BIDS!
Again, it is a piece of musical history. It has a unique sound and looks good. Also if all of the machines that you say are bad, then why are they all being emulated, sampled or cloned by people? The machines are good and the originals are "sound" (excuse the pun) investments for the future...
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I never said that the CR78 or any of these overpriced machine sound bad, i'm saying that 14 sounds, some dodgy rhumba presets and an atrocious programming interface aren't worth what is now £720 on that auction. I'd probably gladly pay £50 or so for those 14 sounds, but £720?
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It is what it is, I suppose. You have collectors and you have musicians and then poor souls such as myself who fall somewhere between the two... As musical instruments some of these things discussed aren't necessarily any great shakes but collectors/investors or whatever will always want them to tick a box I guess. Now I wouldn't pay that money for a CR78 or even want one, but if I had mountains of spare cash I would pay for say an '808. I know there are better drum machines about and perfectly decent emulators too so I don't really understand it myself but there is no doubt that I want one, one day! I think the vintage instrument market is a slightly different kettle of fish to the high prices charged for relatively common, (not "rare"!!) toys (Speak's, VL-1's SK-1's, anything with Casio written on it etc etc) and they can't really be seen as the same thing can they? Surely if/when the current high profile that circuit bending has dies down so will the price of the "classic" bendable toy come down. An SK-1 aint really worth jack for what it is and is only really interesting to circuit benders.
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I never said that the CR78 or any of these overpriced machine sound bad,
You have said that about the TR-606 though in previous threads. They are very good machines and the program interface has set the standard for most of todays boxes. £720 is the going rate today for that CR-78, just like stocks and shares, they go up and down.
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Here is a nice setup that is worth every penny, just look how easy it is to get self gratification....
ROLAND JAM 1/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGtTI_h1vz8#)
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You have said that about the TR-606 though in previous threads. They are very good machines and the program interface has set the standard for most of todays boxes. £720 is the going rate today for that CR-78, just like stocks and shares, they go up and down.
I think you're missing my point. The TR606 doesn't sound bad at all for the £30-£40 its actually worth. I'd gladly pay £30 for one, maybe even £40 if i was feeling generous. On the other hand it sounds like crap for £300, i guess thats a matter of opinion though
All i'm saying is that i suspect that most people would want more music making potential for their money.
Surely if/when the current high profile that circuit bending has dies down so will the price of the "classic" bendable toy come down. An SK-1 aint really worth jack for what it is and is only really interesting to circuit benders.
I really do hope so, with any luck the peak is over. Although it occurs to me that the VSS30 only became so absurdly expensive because a couple of 'famous' producers said they used them. The SK1 probably only sells for what it does because Trent Reznor happens to use one.
See how i put two quotes in one reply so i didn't have to make several posts there arron? ;)
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See how i put two quotes in one reply so i didn't have to make several posts there arron? ;)
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But there was only one message posted when I sent a quoted reply, But thanks for the tip. I tend to check in every now and then and like to get my replies in each time.
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I'm toying with the idea of getting an MC-505. They go for around $100 US on Ebay nowadays. Worth it?
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I've been looking at the MC-505 and MC-303 as well. Not tried one but they're cheap and they make a noise. You probably can't modify them much.
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If i recall correctly the synth sections on both are pretty crappy, especially the MC303.
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I'm toying with the idea of getting an MC-505. They go for around $100 US on Ebay nowadays. Worth it?
100$ is pretty cheap for what is essentially a pretty well-featured 8-track hardware sequencer with a JV-ROM-Sample-Synth. If it even remotely fits your style, get it! If only for the drums and sequencer ;)
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anyone want a DR55? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270656202583 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270656202583)
or even worse: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260676845920 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260676845920)
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:D that's ridiculous
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There's a Casio Tone VL-10 currently on the 'Bay at a reduced price of £155 - it was £175. Is there something I don't know about here?
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There's a Casio Tone VL-10 currently on the 'Bay at a reduced price of £155 - it was £175. Is there something I don't know about here?
sounds too me like there is something you doo know there not worth it!
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The world has gone insane, that last DR55 i posted went for £215! I know i've ranted on about how overpriced the TR606 is on several occasions but thats just absurd, even a 606 is better value that that.
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yes thats insane.. :o can't even program the hihats :-\
got my r70 and my cr8000 for less ;D
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I got a DR55 for £45 a few years ago and was a little disappointed with it world gone mad !!!
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as soon as i get the $$$ i'm getting a korg monotron. it's no more expensive than an sk1, and much cooler!
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Now, this probably *is* worth the 130 quid buy-it-now...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170553182570 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170553182570)
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Gordon, it so isn't. I used to get those for 50-70 eur all the time.
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Yes, but it's still in the original plastic packaging. Looks like it's never been opened...
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How much did 505's cost when they were first released?
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what on earth do people think they are buying here?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220693231684 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220693231684)
Isn't the Korg Minipops is a piece of home organ junk that you might pay £10 for a car boot sale, but that would be pushing it? £304 at the time of writing this. ::)
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It has "Korg" written on it! It's vintage! And look, it has wooden side pieces too so that makes it anal logue!
Just the usual "vintage" hype :D
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/yamaha-MR10-1980s-drum-machine-rare_W0QQitemZ120652171764QQcategoryZ38069QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp5197.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5231569060847826660 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/yamaha-MR10-1980s-drum-machine-rare_W0QQitemZ120652171764QQcategoryZ38069QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp5197.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5231569060847826660)
are you serious 9 days to go £53 for a yamaha mr10 :o
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(i my bevis and butthead voice) he said ANAL-LOG!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290503877029 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290503877029)
Yes, you are reading that right. Thats £3.350 for a pedal that would cost you about £10 to build an EXACT copy of if you happened to have two Mullard OC75 transistors lying around, or maybe £60-£70 if you had to buy a pair at ridiculous ebay prices.
Not that having different transistors is going to make the slightest bit of difference to anyone who hasn't just spent £3.350 on a fuzz pedal.
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I've got about two dozen OC71 transistors, all unused, sitting in a drawer somewhere. Anyone care to make me an offer? ;-)
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:o thats incredible.. btw i happen to have a pair of oc75n laying around.. anyone interested for lets say £950 ;D
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I'll give you £1500 for those transistors Gordon :o seems like a good deal
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Now, this probably *is* worth the 130 quid buy-it-now...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170553182570 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170553182570)
This is the seller i mentioned on another thread. I think they've got about five or six 505's up at the moment. They've knocked them down to £99 now though. 'Bargain'. I think this is more the reason for the prices things are going for than benders competing for them. People thinking they can make a buck from hoarding them and then selling them on. If they're prepared to wait ten years then yes. Notice all the casio's and little yamahas up for buy it nows too. there's no way i'd pay £29.99 for an SA1. Yeah, i've sold an SA8 before for £180 but that was one of those last minute things where you look and think WTF??? The usual was about £80-£100 which still makes buying one for £29.99 a little painful when you include parts and time in the scheme of things...
No logic to selling bent stuff just as there's no logic to the prices of stock kit at times. This is why s-cat has managed to get by by doing absolutely nothing new or interesting for three years now. It only takes a hand full of naive buyers to compete with each other.
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This is the seller i mentioned on another thread. I think they've got about five or six 505's up at the moment. They've knocked them down to £99 now though. 'Bargain'.
....and if you actually look at the listings they all seem to say they are in pretty poor condition with missing battery covers etc. :-\
Whats the point of actually selling anything bent on ebay if its already more or less hit the ceiling of what it could possibly cost bent or unbent. I'm not going to bother putting in the time and effort to come up with anything new or vaguely interesting on something like a 505 if its going to cost me £99 to actually buy one and then all my extra work is rewarded by a selling price of £130. Its happening on just about everything. Bent machines-wise i'd say its only worthwhile selling completely bizarre or original machines on ebay.
Innovation has been priced out of the market.
I think what might happen is that someone sells a modded version of something, and then the next dozen people who list the same item unmodded check what things previously sold for and without actually reading the titles or listinsg they think 'wow, look at what my item is worth, i'll stick it up with a buy it now just under that and it'll sell in no time'. Then the next dozen people do the same and fail to notice that the previous dozen sellers didn't actually sell their items, so the price is kept artificially high and nobody actually buys anything. ::)
This certainly seemed to happen last time i sold a modded Akai S01 on ebay. For the next couple of months people were suddenly listing S01's with buy it nows of over £100, which just isn't going to happen!
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Jesus..... i just looked at that fuzz pedal....
22 bids..........
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That's insane.....
I guess there are people out there with more money than matters.
Which must be nice.
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I guess there are people out there with more money than matters.
Have you ever walked past an Apple store? :P
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I just looked again.... And so did spyware doctor....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290503877029 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290503877029)
Is a phishing site. Hence the cgi in front of ebay...
I wouldn't go browsing for stuff from there. Keep away....................
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no it isn't. For a start i found it by searching on ebay.
To quote a site about CGI pages.
'Many pages on eBay use a standard CGI (Common Gateway Interface) format, which is nothing more than a program name followed by a command and one or more parameters:
Here, cgi.ebay.co.uk is the name of the server, eBayISAPI.dll is the filename of the program, ViewItem is the command to execute, and item=290503877029 is a parameter. Any additional parameters are separated by ampersands (&).
In this case, 290503877029 is the auction number. Simply replace this with another valid auction number, press Enter, and you'll see the corresponding auction page. This is typically quicker and more convenient than using the Search page to open an auction by its number.'
If spyware doctor is telling you its a phishing site then its probably time you got a different spyware detector.
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I just looked again.... And so did spyware doctor....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290503877029 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290503877029)
Is a phishing site. Hence the cgi in front of ebay...
I wouldn't go browsing for stuff from there. Keep away....................
Okay, so eBay run a phishing site on their own domain? That's an interesting prospect, I wonder why they'd do that?
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Ah fair play. Spyware doctor doing what it does to the extreme i guess. Having had my laptop raped twice by crap now my own degree of paranoia has become quite accute so i appologise for my error.
About those transistors. I work for an engineering firm. Anyone want to team up and make some 'authentic' clones haha
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Oh, spyware doctor didn't actually claim it was a phishing site. It just said to 'exercise caution'.
So i did. And jumped to my own misguided conclusion. ;D
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I've actually thought about putting an ad in the local paper offering 10 bucks per speak&freak and 15 bucks for sk's, vss's, and other prime keyboards. Probly wouldn't work for things like 505s and 626s in a town of 30,000, but i'm sure that some of the old people in town have old toys from the 80s sitting in their attics.
Better than the alternative. I spent 81 USD and 20 USD shipping for one each Speak& Spell, Read, and Math, two Super Speak and Spells (not very bendable but they came with the lot) and two vtech computers and a bag of components. Individual speak&spells and Speak&reads were selling BIN for 45USD and 35USD, respectively.
Once came across a SK-1 at Goodwill for $2. Didn't get it because it had batteries but didn't turn on. What can I say? I was 14 at the time, no job, no money, so 2 bucks was a lot. Spent it on a Yamaha PSS-6 a few weeks later, one of the best bends I've found.
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am i missing something about the boss dr550 drum machine? i have one that i picked up on evilbay for a fiver last year, now they're going for ~£50 :o
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boss-Dr-Rhythm-Mk2-550-Drum-Machine-/170588273975?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item27b7da7d37#ht_500wt_1156 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boss-Dr-Rhythm-Mk2-550-Drum-Machine-/170588273975?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item27b7da7d37#ht_500wt_1156)
or even starting bids at £30????
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boss-DR-550-Dr-Rhythm-drum-machine-/200563196128?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item2eb27f80e0#ht_500wt_1156 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boss-DR-550-Dr-Rhythm-drum-machine-/200563196128?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item2eb27f80e0#ht_500wt_1156)
i'm most of the way through sorting out an 80s joystick control for some mods i did to mine for giggles, i've been hampered by the fact the case is so tight... is this machine a hidden gem worthy of serious time, effort and £s or is it the kids toy i feel it is?
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really i mean really?....... you gotta be joking right?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-MR10-DRUM-MACHINE-RARE-ANALOGUE-1980S-/320638977916?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item4aa792877c (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-MR10-DRUM-MACHINE-RARE-ANALOGUE-1980S-/320638977916?pt=UK_Drum_Machines_Grooveboxes&hash=item4aa792877c)
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i could possibly imagine ONE bid for £102 on an MR10 as there are a fair few idiots in the world, but 12 bids!
i like the phrase 'SUIT COLLECTOR, OR AN EXTRA PIECE OF KIT FOR YOUR YOUR STUDIO'. I see actually using it for its musical abilities is secondary.
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The same seller thats buying up every single TR505 on ebay and relisting them for £99 is now doing the same with every single Boss DR110 and relisting them for £139! Two DR110's sold today for £50 and £61 respectively, whats the betting they will appear in his shop next week.
In fact i can't believe that this guy ever actually sells anything at the insane prices he's trying to charge. £119 for a Roland R5, £300 for a Boss Slow Gear pedal, £70 for a Boss DR220E, £180 for a Roland R8!
This one guy is buying up just about everything and making it impossible for people to get hold of anything at an even halfway reasonable price.
I'm reluctant to even give him the advertising of a link but heres his shop should you want to be unpleasantly astounded that anyone would pay these prices http://stores.ebay.co.uk/birminghambossboutique (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/birminghambossboutique)
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thing is people will pay, eventually when they feel they have no choice. I paid some silly prices for things (though they dont seem so bad now) because i got obsessed by the i must have this at any price syndrome. Like any good past time it soon gets eaten up by folk making a fast buck, i'm not saying it's wrong to sell stuff you've made or mod stuff for other people for money. Its just sneaky that people buy up already poor stocks of 'popular' machines with the purpose of cashing in, it makes it hard for people to move beyond bending kids keyboards, because they cant afford to, the people that do this kind of thing piss me off because they obviously dont care about others involved in circuit bending they just wanna nudge up prices.
REVOLUTION people! dont pay these stupid prices and they will have to drop if no-one buys them! Paul to answer your other question about why cram 50 mods onto a seriously inadequate machine, its because no-one can afford 140quid to maybe fuck up a dr110 and even 505s are getting out of peoples grasp (they were 25 quid when i started!)...........ok rant over, phew
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These 8-bit digital drum machines are shit, too. You can build better ones.
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These 8-bit digital drum machines are shit, too. You can build better ones.
:D are u in the forum saying that :o 8bit
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how many bits should you pay for 8 bits?
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Give me around 1.5 seconds of samples - 2 seconds, if you don't mind *really* low quality - and I'll give you some code to blow into an Arduino. Real Genuine 8-Bit Sampling (tm), with easy-to-use glitchy circuit-bending effects.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-VSS-200-PortaSound-Sampling-Keyboard-RARE-1980-/400209207837?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item5d2e53e21d (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-VSS-200-PortaSound-Sampling-Keyboard-RARE-1980-/400209207837?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item5d2e53e21d)
holy shit has the world gone nuts!!!
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the worlds sanity if safe as long as no one actually buys it
;)
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but its a very rare and hard to find bit of equipment and the battery door is NOT missing!
;D
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How much should I expect to pay for a Yamaha CS01 Mk II, in extremely good cosmetic condition, with original breatcontroller + the little bag for it + original box, but without original power supply ?
Just of curiosity, because I will by it anyways.
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about 1/3rd of what you're going to pay?
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;D
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Oh come on :-\
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A Korg Electribe ER-1 for $400?????????
http://cgi.ebay.com/KORG-Electribe-ER-1-Rhythm-synthesizer-MINT-/320659617389?_trksid=p4340.m506&_trkparms=algo%3DNGRI%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D150629195501%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1223598073947667645#ht_5247wt_1439 (http://cgi.ebay.com/KORG-Electribe-ER-1-Rhythm-synthesizer-MINT-/320659617389?_trksid=p4340.m506&_trkparms=algo%3DNGRI%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D150629195501%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1223598073947667645#ht_5247wt_1439)
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This is a beauty http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330587270737 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330587270737)
Read it carefully, thats not £60 for a Boss DR110, thats £60 for the carry case for a Boss DR110! ::)
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This is a beauty http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330587270737 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330587270737)
Read it carefully, thats not £60 for a Boss DR110, thats £60 for the carry case for a Boss DR110! ::)
i might just take all the mods off mine so i can buy that bargain ;D
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/S-CAT-0564-CIRCUIT-BENT-DUBSTA-DIGITAL-DELAY-UNIT-/260828036922?pt=UK_Consumer_Professional_RL&hash=item3cba8fff3a (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/S-CAT-0564-CIRCUIT-BENT-DUBSTA-DIGITAL-DELAY-UNIT-/260828036922?pt=UK_Consumer_Professional_RL&hash=item3cba8fff3a) talking about ridiculous prices..................................
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and yet people seem to pay that much mone,y so some people must assume its worth that much for some reason.
this VSS200 on the other hand. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290600267652 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290600267652)
Not only is it ULTRA RARE! but apparently its in 'PRESTIGE CONDITION'
Thats worth £70 of anyones money ;)
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seems a korg dd1 in full working condition has just sold for under £42 ! that's a bargain ! :o
ps
vss200 definitely worth 70 quid ;)
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Ok, now i know Technology Transplant wnet through a period of being a bit unreliable and it was a bit hit and miss getting replacement analogue parts for a while, but this is just insane!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290598440207 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290598440207)
Thats $149/£89 for a blue SH101 battery door! It even says on the listing that its made by technology transplant, so you can go over to the TT site and find exactly the same thing for $14.99.
I can't help wondering if someone has a blind spot for decimal points ::)
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Well, I just impulse bought a VSS200 from a Cash Converters in town for £50.
Couldn't resist... might be years before I find one for a quid at a boot fair!
Will be a while before I open it up, but having great fun with it already ;D
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It could be worse:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400209207837 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400209207837) - £202
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290604888185 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290604888185) - £140
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130569113282 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130569113282) - £149
Honestly, its insanity! One cretin thinks they might get lucky and puts a VSS200 up on ebay for £202. Then a load of other people come along who have a VSS200, they see that auction and think 'wow, look how much these things are selling for' and they list their VSS for £50 less thinking that means it'll go quickly. None of them seem to realise that people may be trying to sell them for that much, but NOBODY IS BUYING! ::)