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Title: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: jamiewoody on April 30, 2010, 06:35:23 PM
from scratch?!

here is an idea i have...please dialogue with me, as i haven't tried it yet.

harvest some plastic mini-keys from a dead casio...

i could plant some normally closed switches under the keys, you get the picture, press the key, and  the switch is activated.

i could experiment with different caps, since they seem to produce lower tones in the higher values, and wire each cap to a resistor and a trimmer.

the series of cap-resistor-trimmer on all of the keys would be wired in parallel to the synth circuit. i could do a circuit with different synth types i have been learning to build, cmoss, 555, 556...

my theory (or lack of! lol!) is that i could perhaps "tune" each key with the trimmer pots, so there will be a set pitch for each key. i would prolly only do a two octave keyboard.

of course, the box would be very "moog" looking, with wood on the sides, etc!

so, what do you think? any problems with this idea?
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: Gordonjcp on April 30, 2010, 10:07:23 PM
It wouldn't really stay in tune.  Analogue synths used to use very high-precision resistors in series, with the pressed key shorting a proportion of them.  The resistor ladder formed part of a potential divider that went into a very carefully-adjusted amplifier and gave a linear output voltage proportional to the note pressed.  This then got fed into a logarithmic amplifier (fiddly as hell) and then into a voltage-controlled oscillator (actually, current-controlled but we can gloss over that - also fiddly as hell).

Dig out the circuit diagram for an analogue monosynth for an example.  The Powertran Transcendent 2000 had a circuit like that for the keyboard.
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: jamiewoody on April 30, 2010, 10:59:19 PM
thanks. may go out of tune huh?

all i can do is try things and see if they work.  the more i experiment, the more intuitive i become!
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: crossedout on May 05, 2010, 02:13:35 AM
look for the "toy organ" schematic here:

Engineer's Mini-Notebook - 555 Timer IC Circuits (http://www.scribd.com/doc/6475770/Engineers-MiniNotebook-555-Timer-IC-Circuits#key1fdb6qdi66tvlxcrjl3q)
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: phantompowers on May 05, 2010, 07:43:34 AM
Nice one for posting that notebook. I've been after that for a while.
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: jamiewoody on May 07, 2010, 12:55:52 AM
no doubt! forrest mims is a futuristic folk artist! ;-)
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: jamiewoody on May 07, 2010, 01:41:45 AM
this WILL be my next book purchase!!!
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: jamiewoody on August 04, 2010, 03:36:57 PM
i saw a youtube vid of a homemade electronic keyboard, and  i exchanged some email with the one who made it. he made a basic VCO, and came out with a capacitor, then from the capacitor, did a parallel circuit of trimmers andN/O switches. of course the push button switches were the keys, and the trimmers tuned the keys.

it seems the MIMS model is a little different, there are different values of capacitors for the keys.

which seems better?
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: zoomtheline on August 04, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Thought about it then thought it would be shit if I did it.

(Apologies for pointless rubbish post but needed to post something so Admin didn't delete my dusty account)
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: Timodon on August 06, 2010, 05:54:08 PM
Good idea!

I made a very rudimentary 3 tuneable key (or 3 button) version of a keyboard on my Betasynth. The pots were all in parallel on the same oscillator of a hex schmitt trigger. As well as tuning eacfh key for a simple three note melody or bassline the fun thing about that was that the pots have a weird relationship with each other when pressed at the same time. Different notes are produced by pressing different combinations of keys - not great if you wanted a precision instrument but good for the kind of music I wanted to make with it!
Title: Re: has anyone ever made a keyboard...
Post by: jamiewoody on August 07, 2010, 03:44:51 PM
using a schmitt trigger seems like a good idea, since there are a quadzillion different sounds that can come from one!

i threw together a stepped tone generator with a 556 on the breadboard. i hooked up a switch (normally closed, i need normally open instead), and i learned i was able to trigger a tone using the button. but, when i would twist a potentiometer, the pitch would change.

i would love to make a "mini-keyboard" and make an oscillator for it, which would effect the waveform yet not change the tuning...