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Circuitbenders Forum => Circuitbending discussion => Topic started by: Many_boomers on May 10, 2007, 02:16:55 AM
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I just got an R8 on ebay for $91 delivered (!!). Now, I already know this thing is about as bendable as a 1/2 ton truck frame. But Since it was sold as untested and as is I'm assuming it's broken in some way. Any one ever take a look inside one of these Mofocko's? How easy would, say one of the buttons, be to fix? Power supply problems?
Dumb purchase?
I had one, but right As I was beginning to understand the basics of it, the garage my room was in burned down. I still have some cards though (power drums, and jaz brushes).
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Hi, i have tried bending a R8 too. With no great success, only some distortion and a lot of crashes (very annoying to bend) -> not preferable. But you can use the pads to trigger MIDI equipment since the pads sends midi messages.
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I just got an R8 on ebay for $91 delivered (!!). Now, I already know this thing is about as bendable as a 1/2 ton truck frame. But Since it was sold as untested and as is I'm assuming it's broken in some way. Any one ever take a look inside one of these Mofocko's? How easy would, say one of the buttons, be to fix? Power supply problems?
Dumb purchase?
I had one, but right As I was beginning to understand the basics of it, the garage my room was in burned down. I still have some cards though (power drums, and jaz brushes).
Here at S-CAT is a ROLAND R-8 drum machine with 8 bends, There are plenty more but 8 on an R-8 is just right.
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hey s-cat - perhaps you'd like to share some of those with us?
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Welcome, S-CAT! I'm a fan of your videos.
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Hi, too ;)
Cool, I am interested how to bend that damn thing.
I hadn't much luck, not very exciting things happend.
... and a lot of crashes while bending ... bit frustrating that was.
I thought the Sound ROM ICs are a good place to start.
any tips?
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hey s-cat - perhaps you'd like to share some of those with us?
We can not tell anyone how to bend an R-8
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Welcome, S-CAT! I'm a fan of your videos.
Do you like our machines too?
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Hi, too ;)
Cool, I am interested how to bend that damn thing.
I hadn't much luck, not very exciting things happend.
... and a lot of crashes while bending ... bit frustrating that was.
I thought the Sound ROM ICs are a good place to start.
any tips?
You should contact us directly.
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Oh for gods sake. Look, this forum is for the discussion of circuitbending. This forum is not for shameless self promotion of circuitbent stuff you have to sell. I don't think that is unreasonable in any way and everyone else seems to respect and understand this. I could send you a private message but if you decide to behave like this in public then i guess I'll have to work on the same level but i have to say its getting tiresome. If anyone thinks any of this is unreasonable I'm happy to listen and consider your ideas.
If you have anything to actually contribute to a discussion on circuitbending such as tips on how to bend a Roland R8 or in the other thread you seem to have hijacked with your self promotion, a Casio SA-2, then by all means feel free to contribute and I'm sure everyone can avoid squabbling like children.
As it is I'm not going to get into an argument and you can't blackmail anyone with your 'We can not tell anyone how to bend an R-8 unless you decide that we should be able to let people know about our ebay site' nonsense because i for one really don't care in the slightest about the Roland R8 or your ebay site or if anyone chooses to contact you or not, and I'm quite happy to just remove you from the forum if you can't play nicely like all the other kids.
As I've said many times before on here, play nicely or not at all. ;)
Thankyou for your time.
Did someone mention an ebay site..................... Strangely everything this post was referrimng to seems to have been edited out, make of that what you will.
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Oh for gods sake. Look, this forum is for the discussion of circuitbending. This forum is not for shameless self promotion of circuitbent stuff you have to sell. I don't think that is unreasonable in any way and everyone else seems to respect and understand this. I could send you a private message but if you decide to behave like this in public then i guess I'll have to work on the same level but i have to say its getting tiresome. If anyone thinks any of this is unreasonable I'm happy to listen and consider your ideas.
If you have anything to actually contribute to a discussion on circuitbending such as tips on how to bend a Roland R8 or in the other thread you seem to have hijacked with your self promotion, a Casio SA-2, then by all means feel free to contribute and I'm sure everyone can avoid squabbling like children.
As it is I'm not going to get into an argument and you can't blackmail anyone with your 'We can not tell anyone how to bend an R-8 unless you decide that we should be able to let people know about our ebay site' nonsense because i for one really don't care in the slightest about the Roland R8 or your ebay site or if anyone chooses to contact you or not, and I'm quite happy to just remove you from the forum if you can't play nicely like all the other kids.
As I've said many times before on here, play nicely or not at all. ;)
Thankyou for your time.
You seem to be very good at promoting us, The more you complain the more people will want to find out about us, We do not care about do this or do that we just do what we want, What are you a copper or sumfin sunshine?
S-CAT IS OUT THERE AND ON THE CASE, KEEP WATCHING THE FURY CREATURE GROW.
Did someone mention an ebay site.....................
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oh dear....... ;D
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I'm so embarressed on your behalf S-CAT :-[
You've signed up to a forum and acted like a 15 year old having a tantrum insulting the owner and moderators in the process and actually think that this endears you to people? You actually think you can act like this and do whatever you want on someone elses forum and not have people think you are a dick and get banned?!!!! :D
Do you do this on every forum you join?
If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny
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I'm so embarressed on your behalf S-CAT :-[
You've signed up to a forum and acted like a 15 year old having a tantrum insulting the owner and moderators in the process and actually think that this endears you to people? You actually think you can act like this and do whatever you want on someone elses forum and not have people think you are a dick and get banned?!!!! :D
Do you do this on every forum you join?
If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny
We are glad to see that we are getting such a strong reaction from people, What is this site about? We are having such a laugh at all of you. Do you really think that people who circuit bend machines would be interested in buying machines from other circuit benders? Why take us so seriously? We are not really interested in this site and especially the moderator. He is the one who decided to re-word our self promotion. Is he that clever? all that is going on here is a site that seems to have lots of questions and no answers. Have you tried some of the bends that people post on this site? We have and thought that they were some of the worst bends that could be done to a machine.
You seem to think that we are having a tantrum, why is that? You need to read the comments from us with your tongue in your cheek. We have entered a site that promotes circuit bending. So what did they expect from us?
Please keep this thread going as it could develop into something worth reading if you give it a chance.
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oh dear....... ;D
Yes they are quite expensive some times.
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OK S-CAT, enough.
I'm tired of this. We both know that you've just gone back through all your posts and edited them to make yourself not look so childish. What is the point of all this exactly, i don't understand?
I would appreciate it if you took this elsewhere. I don't like banning people but i also don't like feeling like i'm in charge of a nursery and that is what your posts are turning this into.
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oh dear....... ;D
Yes they are quite expensive some times.
The audio samples are available for free, take a look and get back to us. We have started a new thread and included a link, It seems that other people are doing the same so we thought it would be ok with you. If you do have a problem then please make yourself clear on the issue.
Noise, Tracks & samplesCircuitbent tracks & samples, General music discussion
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OK S-CAT, enough.
I'm tired of this. We both know that you've just gone back through all your posts and edited them to make yourself not look so childish. What is the point of all this exactly, i don't understand?
I would appreciate it if you took this elsewhere. I don't like banning people but i also don't like feeling like i'm in charge of a nursery and that is what your posts are turning this into.
We edited this so that it showed that we are not trying to offend you, you said about not mentioning our site so we respected your point of view and acted accordingly. We feel that we have a lot to say and this was a good place to start. look a the new string. We are sorry if you are getting upset but you should maybe realise that you are the one who is reacting like a child. Grow up this is the real world and sometimes it's not easy.
Kind regards and our fullest appollogies.
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Your site you were promoting happened to be an ebay shop, at least it was before you edited all that out.
I have made pretty much made myself clear on the issue. There is no problem with posting links to interesting videos or machines you've built but the purpose of this forum is to share bending ideas and information.
The purpose of this forum is not to just blatantly promote your money making enterprise in whatever form it might take, it is not to make endless posts saying how great you are and how your machines are amazing and are better than anyone elses, it is not to go back and edit your posts in order to make other forum members look stupid, it is not to say you know how to mod something and then say you're not going to tell anyone how.
This forum is for the sharing of information.
I've never had to make any hard and fast rules before in the 4 or 5 years that this forum has been up and i don't want to have to now. I also don't want to have to ban people from editing posts they have made.
If anyone doesn't wish to abide by these rules then they should feel free to cancel their account.
Feel free to give details of how you bent your Roland R8................
This is the end of it.
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LOL, I've never seen such an fast rate of posts on this site, and it's all spam :(
Anyway, circuitbenders, (damn, what do I call you? circuitbenders isn't as personal as a real nick :o), BANINATION TIME COMMENCES!
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Its a default on all forums that random flameswars are always more exciting than the actual topic under discussion :D
Anyone remember Papaspank a couple of years back? Now that was a good one, he nearly managed to delete half the forum in his righteous rage before i managed to remove him and his various alias's from the board.
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Your site you were promoting happened to be an ebay shop, at least it was before you edited all that out.
I have made pretty much made myself clear on the issue. There is no problem with posting links to interesting videos or machines you've built but the purpose of this forum is to share bending ideas and information.
The purpose of this forum is not to just blatantly promote your money making enterprise in whatever form it might take, it is not to make endless posts saying how great you are and how your machines are amazing and are better than anyone elses, it is not to go back and edit your posts in order to make other forum members look stupid, it is not to say you know how to mod something and then say you're not going to tell anyone how.
This forum is for the sharing of information.
I've never had to make any hard and fast rules before in the 4 or 5 years that this forum has been up and i don't want to have to now. I also don't want to have to ban people from editing posts they have made.
If anyone doesn't wish to abide by these rules then they should feel free to cancel their account.
Feel free to give details of how you bent your Roland R8................
This is the end of it.
Please take a look at our videos and feel free to comment, we are pleased that we have helped you to streamline the forum by not letting members edit their post in the future. As you have calmed down now maybe you will be interested in the S-CAT machines. We are currently writting a book of our modifications and have copy rights on all of our machines. We will soon be building drum machines from our own designs and hope to be building bigger and better circuitbent machines in the future. We are currently working on a good few machines which include... An SK-1, SK-5 Sk-2100, Novation drum station, bass station, Casio MT-200, Yamaha pc-100 and a box full of FX pedals. We will be making videos of all of the machines and would like to be able to show them on this site if it is ok with you.
Kind regards,
PHONIC-POTION & SPACE-CAT AUDIO TECHNOLOGIES.
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Your site you were promoting happened to be an ebay shop, at least it was before you edited all that out.
I have made pretty much made myself clear on the issue. There is no problem with posting links to interesting videos or machines you've built but the purpose of this forum is to share bending ideas and information.
The purpose of this forum is not to just blatantly promote your money making enterprise in whatever form it might take, it is not to make endless posts saying how great you are and how your machines are amazing and are better than anyone elses, it is not to go back and edit your posts in order to make other forum members look stupid, it is not to say you know how to mod something and then say you're not going to tell anyone how.
This forum is for the sharing of information.
I've never had to make any hard and fast rules before in the 4 or 5 years that this forum has been up and i don't want to have to now. I also don't want to have to ban people from editing posts they have made.
If anyone doesn't wish to abide by these rules then they should feel free to cancel their account.
Feel free to give details of how you bent your Roland R8................
This is the end of it.
Please take a look at our videos and feel free to comment, we are pleased that we have helped you to streamline the forum by not letting members edit their post in the future. As you have calmed down now maybe you will be interested in the S-CAT machines. We are currently writting a book of our modifications and have copy rights on all of our machines. We will soon be building drum machines from our own designs and hope to be building bigger and better circuitbent machines in the future. We are currently working on a good few machines which include... An SK-1, SK-5 Sk-2100, Novation drum station, bass station, Casio MT-200, Yamaha pc-100 and a box full of FX pedals. We will be making videos of all of the machines and would like to be able to show them on this site if it is ok with you.
Kind regards,
PHONIC-POTION & SPACE-CAT AUDIO TECHNOLOGIES.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
MORE spam replying to his final warning?
BANNED!
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I'm so embarressed on your behalf S-CAT :-[
You've signed up to a forum and acted like a 15 year old having a tantrum insulting the owner and moderators in the process and actually think that this endears you to people? You actually think you can act like this and do whatever you want on someone elses forum and not have people think you are a dick and get banned?!!!! :D
Do you do this on every forum you join?
If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny
Come on people let us see what you have been building, send us a link.
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have copy rights on all of our machines.
WHAT!? i don't think so. Are you copyrighting the idea of removing and replacing a clock resistor? Are you copyrighting the idea of a voltage cut crash? In that case i'm copyrighting here and now the technique of shorting the pins of a sound ROM chip together which means from now on nobody can build circuitbent drum machines to your own designs or anyone elses designs unless you pay me a licencing fee. ;D I do hope you won't ever be putting a patchbay on anything as you might be violating a circuitbenders.co.uk copyright ;D I think its a safe bet that you can't copyright any circuitbending ideas or Reed Ghazala would own us all.
So much for an open sharing of information.
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oh dear....... ;D
We would be interested in what you have been building, can you send us a link?
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Oh, voodoolikeudoo, don't diss us minors.
I'm 14, and I'm not an asshole like S-CAT.
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have copy rights on all of our machines.
WHAT!? i don't think so. Are you copyrighting the idea of removing and replacing a clock resistor? Are you copyrighting the idea of a voltage cut crash? In that case i'm copyrighting here and now the technique of shorting the pins of a sound ROM chip together which means from now on nobody can build circuitbent drum machines to your own designs or anyone elses designs unless you pay me a licencing fee. ;D I do hope you won't ever be putting a patchbay on anything as you might be violating a circuitbenders.co.uk copyright ;D I think its a safe bet that you can't copyright any circuitbending ideas or Reed Ghazala would own us all.
Maybe you could take some advice here, When a machine is manufactured by Roland for instance then they and the circuit designer own the copyright. Then say S-CAT decided that they could improve on the sound capabilities and the user interface of the machine. They work their little paws off and come up with something unique. Then the put a little sticker with the copyright symbol and date iinside the modified machine and seal it up. Then all of a sudden Roland release the MK II of their machine. It now does what the S-CAT modification does. This then gives S-CAT enough to be able to go to court and challenge Roland. If the copyright symbol was not in the machine then S-CAT would not have a paw to stand on. But as they do and also have the documentation to back up their design they could then file for something that is known as joint copyright. This in reality means that the S-CAT modification could not work with our the Roland unit and that the Roland MK II would not work without the S-CAT modification. It would be a hard slog in court but S-CAT would be within their rights to file for joint ownership of the MK II machine.
When we say to build a drum machine from our own design we mean from scratch and not by copying anyone else. It is possibble and it will be done.
Keep it coming!
So much for an open sharing of information.
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oh dear....... ;D
We would be interested in what you have been building, can you send us a link?
errrm, yes by all means, try this one - www.circuitbenders.co.uk ::)
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I'm 14, and I'm not an asshole like S-CAT.
Less of that please, we can do without abuse
now, about the roland R8.......................................
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Oh, voodoolikeudoo, don't diss us minors.
I'm 14, and I'm not an asshole like S-CAT.
You should take a look at the latest reply from S-CAT maybe you could take this on board and become secure in your future of circuitbending.
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Now, about the Roland R8...................
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oh dear....... ;D
We would be interested in what you have been building, can you send us a link?
errrm, yes by all means, try this one - www.circuitbenders.co.uk ::)
Thats a big ebay sign that you have got there, Do you use your own knowledge when you circuitbendmachines or do you use tried and tested designs from other sources?
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Now, about the Roland R8...................
What do you need to know? It is here next to me and the case has been removed. You are not asking me to tell you what to do on your R-8 are you. Because it may end up with some self promotion here.
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OK ENOUGH,
I've tried to be reasonable, i have tried to explain the situation, i have tried to be fair, i've tried to inject some humour into proceediings but you appear to be absolutley determined to be an asshole and just be objectionable. You seem to really want to be banned and so thats what i'm going to do. I don't have enough time in my life to deal with this kind of shit so goodbye. You can think whatever you want and i wish you luck in your 'future of circuitbending' or your mult-imillion pound circuitbending empire or whatever it is that will make you feel superior to the rest of us poor amateurs. I simply do not give a shit anymore.
Thankyou.
I would welcome comments from other users as the the validity of this decision if anyone has read this thread and can be bothered to have an opinion.
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I would welcome comments from other users as the the validity of this decision if anyone has read this thread and can be bothered to have an opinion.
Unquestionably the correct decision.
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I agree.
Cheers, Graham
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I've been a long time lurker but first time poster
Been following this and just want to say that S-CAT guy deserved to be banned.
I've seen some of the gear he peddles on ebay and its nothing special.
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What a shame!
could have been a interessting brainstorming...
... but thinking about money had destroyed a lot in history.
The R8 can also be used as a MIDI Trigger (the pads send MIDI messages)
I don't have to bend everything I get into my fingers.
maybe there are some other interesting (and free) stuff in other threads here ...
@S-CAT:
I think I can understand you a bit,
"cool, I've done something others want to know...but wait...I can earn some money with this maybe"
Tip:
Build a simple 12AX7 tubepreamp circuit inside the R8 and you get 10x times the money.
good luck with you buisness ...
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Well, i don't have a problem with S-CAT making money from circuitbending, if i did i wouldn't be doing it myself. :-\
What i do have a problem with is him or them coming on here and reapeatedly promoting his ebay store despite being asked not to, refusing to give out any information on his bends and generally being obnoxious .
Some people may have missed the MT-200 post that S-CAT put up. It basically said he has an MT-200 with 11 bends and thats how its done if you are an expert like him and any other way that anyone can do it won't be as good but he's not going to give out any information on how he did it. Understandibly i deleted that one.
It is disappointing as i'm sure he has got some good ideas but nobody else on this forum has ever caused so much distruption in so little time.
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I just had a look at a few videos of his stuff, just to see what all his hype was about. Well, basically that's what it turned out to be - hype!
Most of his sounds were just digital distortion stuff - like when you fool around with data lines or overdriving sounds. You could do 90% of what he does with a distortion pedal on the output of your keyboard. Lots of videos of keyboards and drum machines doing the same stuff that you hear being done by people on this forum. And he wants to copyright that?? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Cheers, Graham
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Oh dear, Mr S-CAT just tragically went and told on us to daddy, or Reed Ghazala as he's otherwise known to grown ups. ;D
And i quote from the email S-CAT just sent me:
Here is a message from someone who has just looked at our site, Now if he decided to use your site for self promotion would you tell him to fuck off?
Take this and stick it on your site, Mabe you will find that S-CAT is going to be one of the biggest names around.
Hi there, Why'd ya get kicked outta the forum? As to bending ...cool sounds, fair deals, strong builds. Maybe specialize in a design or two. Of course, be original. Thanks for the note, and discover cool things! all best, reed
make of that what you will. Why S-CAT would think that anyone would care, or why he thinks that Reed Ghazala wouldn't get kicked off this forum if he behaved like S-CAT does i don't know.
And to qoute from another email S-CAT sent me today:
You are saying here that if people do not give away their designs on the site then they are not welcome. Did you read the comments and information that I gave the readers about copyrights. Now if that isn't worth reading then what is the point of the site? It is just a shop and we knew that from the start. Thats why we chose to overide the rules. We are pleased to have been banned in such a short time and are sure that your little world will always remember us at S-CAT. You can not deny our machines are some of the better units available. Whats your problem. Do you think that I didn't want to tell you to fuck off?
Its all just so embarressing :-[ ::)
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Oh dear, Mr S-CAT just tragically went and told on us to daddy, or Reed Ghazala as he's otherwise known to grown ups. ;D
And i quote from the email S-CAT just sent me:
Here is a message from someone who has just looked at our site, Now if he decided to use your site for self promotion would you tell him to fuck off?
Take this and stick it on your site, Mabe you will find that S-CAT is going to be one of the biggest names around.
Hi there, Why'd ya get kicked outta the forum? As to bending ...cool sounds, fair deals, strong builds. Maybe specialize in a design or two. Of course, be original. Thanks for the note, and discover cool things! all best, reed
make of that what you will. Why S-CAT would think that anyone would care, or why he thinks that Reed Ghazala wouldn't get kicked off this forum if he behaved like S-CAT does i don't know.
And to qoute from another email S-CAT sent me today:
You are saying here that if people do not give away their designs on the site then they are not welcome. Did you read the comments and information that I gave the readers about copyrights. Now if that isn't worth reading then what is the point of the site? It is just a shop and we knew that from the start. Thats why we chose to overide the rules. We are pleased to have been banned in such a short time and are sure that your little world will always remember us at S-CAT. You can not deny our machines are some of the better units available. Whats your problem. Do you think that I didn't want to tell you to fuck off?
Its all just so embarressing :-[ ::)
Looks like S-CAT are causing a few problems here, maybe they should be allowed back on the site and be put on the spot, Throw some sensible question in their direstion and see if they have some answers. They are very successful in what they do and are not really going to give their ideas away to every one that asks. The spamming is maybe too much but this site is a forum for disscussion and they can definatly teach some of the circuitbenders out there a few good tricks. After all they have a good trail of sold items under their belt and will most probably be doing this for a long time. The argument was unfair as in they were banned after a fair challenge to the owner, who seemed to take offence at everything that was said.
Circuit bending is an easy thing for most people to do and can sometimes become rather elitist and a little bit fickle. The idea behind the machines is to enhance the music that the individual is working on, S-CAT machines are well thought out and do make some amasing sounds. I have seen the videos of their machines and agree that all of them are not amazing, but then some of them are. Maybe you should ask them to post some of their finished music on this site, as they are both accomplished electronic musicians who have released material with some very well known recor labels.
As a musicians they seem to be earning money from their circuitbent machines, which is a good thing. How many of you would like to be in that position instead of working for the man?
Get them back as it was well worth reading some of those funny comments from them, They are truly mad!
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How interesting, TECHSET is posting from exactly the same IP address as S-CAT was.
Either theres an unbelivable co-incidence going on or theres something unbelivably tragic going on :D
S-CAT, i said i would unblock your IP so you could read what was being written as its only fair, not so you could sign up again under a different name and pretend to be someone else saying how great S-CAT is.
If it wasn't for the same IP thing i'm afraid your attitude is a instant give away. ;)
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Epic lolz hath been declared!
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Even if RG did reply, he probably would have asked why he was banned because S-CAT didn't tell him :P
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I really still am ::) about his copyright crap. His argument logic would NEVER hold up in a Civil court - I hope Roland busts him big and good if he continues claiming circuit designs and "modifications" as his own copyrighted idea ::)
Think about it. Thousands of benders across the world have connected part of a circuit in a drum machine with a wire from here to there to get a different sound. What's to say some kid with an R8 hasn't already discovered S-Cat's bends first? Is S-Cat going to sue him for "breach of copyright" What if an R8 goes faulty and causes itself to have the same bend internally, causing the same sound? Will he sue Roland?
Roland will not even allow you to copy a cosmetic aspect of their equipment - such as a colour scheme, logo, shape, let alone modify a patented circuit of theirs - I know because people on software design forums have made VST versions of Roland gear and have been given cease and desist letters from Roland - I've seen them. And modifying a circuit does not give you copyright privelidges.
In order to have a genuine copyright, S-cat would have to produce an independent "add-on" circuit that would not have anything in common with the Roland circuit or design or function - such as a module or expansion board - and sold as an independent add-on product - not a part of any of the Roland circuit - meaning that the add-on would function in its own right no matter what you attached it to - it must not need the R8 circuit design for the bend to work. An example would be a VCF external circuit - if you could find one not already copyrighted.
And it couldn't be a circuit consisting of a few wires and switches in certain places - you can't copyright wires and switches - they are subject to their own maufacturers copyrights or licences, if you want to argue the point.
You can't fool me SCAT I've been down this legal road myself before with the Alesis MMT8 and I tell you that Roland would butcher you if you tried to copyright your bend it unless you built a 3rd party add-on "module" that was independent from the R8 and absolutely completely different in design from any other design already copyrighted.
How so very "hubrous" (look it up :D )
Cheers, Graham
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and the r8? ::)
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Pwned
I think S-cat completely missed teh point of this forum. major Lolzor.
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I like this forum as its a place for people to help each other with our little noise hobby :), rather than just holding onto information... terrible shame some people just cant be bothered to help others really - DOH! and DOH again...
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scat (skat) pronunciation, noun.
Excrement, especially of an animal; dung.
Slang term for coprophilia, a sexual fetish involving feces
Mr S-CAT is going to enjoy building a website using that domain name ;D
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scat (skat) pronunciation, noun.
Excrement, especially of an animal; dung.
Slang term for coprophilia, a sexual fetish involving feces
Mr S-CAT is going to enjoy building a website using that domain name ;D
Yeah i googled to see if he have a homepage yesterday and got the same resault ;D
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He'll get shit loads of hits though.
Sorry, that was too easy.
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Has anyone else seen s-cats other ebay account selling all the stuff he's broken trying to bend it. I won't put a link up as it will just get removed but there was a bass station claiming it had been 'damaged in the post', a 'non functioning' Roland R8 - surprise surprise, and a load of 'original used parts' from things like 707's, 101's & 606's!
What an impressive circuitbender he must be.
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I've never tried bending an R8 but did bend another non-bendable drum machine, the Yamaha dd-10 (I would love to share that one with you all but unfortunately didn't make any notes and then sold the thing to some american studio. D'oh!)
Anyway, back to my point. If you're trying to bend a machine which is prone to serious crashing it is often useful to use a pot between your two probes when investigating. It should give you a little more scope for fun and games.
Loving the S-cat comedy although it worries me that someone so unstable should be allowed to live in our society. If you're reading this S-kat, I hope you go and see your doctor and find help. Extreme grandiosity is often a strong sign of bi-polar I (manic depression as it used to be called..).
I'm impressed at crustypauls tolerance! I think I would have just banned him.
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It's nice to see the majority of us are of the same opinion.. It's just the 'Global world domination' attitude that I find a little disturbing....
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did i miss something? ;)
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did i miss something? ;)
You see what happens iqoruvuc? You don't sign in for a while and all hell breaks loose. ;D
Don't let it happen again ;)
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He must have been off with Andy Wheels.
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He'll get shit loads of hits though.
Sorry, that was too easy.
LOL, great pun.
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It seems that I have caused some real shit here, firstly I mwould like to appologise to Paul...sorry.
I have recieved quite a few comments from various members and have managed to upset some and make others laugh. My information about copyright was supposed to give an idea of what is possible for todays new electronic experimentalists and if I could have stayed on the site to discuss the issue further then maybe things would have been different, but its shit in my face now(LOL) and that's fair enough.
There are a few things to cover here so I will start with the sale of the bass station, it really was damaged in the post and sold for just £30 I think. How gutted was I, as if I had circuit bent the unit then it would have sold for more. The spares that are for sale are not from circuit bent failures, they are leggitimate parts from old machines that I have picked up over the years. The TR-606 spares came from a seller who sold me a Computer that was supposed to be a Pentium 4 and turned out to be duff but when I collected the unit from him I mentioned Circuit bending and he said that he had an old drum machine that I might be interested in. He showed the machine to me which had been stamped on and the volume dial/pot had been pushed through the main board, but apart from that it was all there. I went on to sell the parts and made over £600 so that balanced the dodgy comuter for me.
I contacted Reed Gazala and were happy to recieve a reply praising our work ,wouldn't you? he gave great advice and I have followed it. The VL-1, MT-65, DD-series and Dub sirens are our main units now and work has become simpler.
The name S-CAT was created with the 2008 definition in mind and was funny for us to see that people felt that they thought we did not know of such Sports. Ater all we are adults here!
As for the R-8, It is still here and we have now bought an R-5 which we think will be as easy to do and hpe to complete the pair soon, the R-8 has so many coates of paint on it that has taken 6 months to dry.
Circuit bending in general is hit and miss and when we come up with a good connection on the board then we go for it, someone mentioned that we are just adding distorted bends and that they could achieve the same result with a distortion pedal and a selection of drum machines, but when using pedals you will get a tremendous amount of hiss, I used to use 10 distortion pedals in my live techno sets many years ago and even got a chear from the crowd once when the sequencer packed up and all 10 were hissing like a cat, but thats another story. The thing with the distortion bends is that you do not get the white noize just pure distortion.
The state of my mind is balanced at the moment and manic depression has been one of the driving factors in my life, I spent 10-15 years playing techno at squat parties on our 15K rig which some of you may know of...
BIOSYSTEMS, We built the rig in 1996 and have been responsible for some of the messiest parties out there and I definately recived a fair dose of brain damage in the process.
Good luck to anyone who builds machines and expresses theirselves, but you cant please everyone at the same time now can you?
Arron
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Awww, come on guys... which one of you faked S-CAT's forum ID and posted this? :D
Cheers, Graham
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It was not a fake, I managed to log on to the site in the early hours and thought that I should defend my corner, afterall it was all a bit of fun tht just got ot of hand. I have appologised to paul of circutbenders UK. and hope that he can accept. I have never been on a forum before and in my own mistake thought that the best way to get a response from people was to explain who I am and what I do, I did not intend to self promote.
When I joined up in another name I thought that it was obvious who I was and felt that I had a few things to say to everyone on the site. It seems a good place to talk about circuit bending and I really feel that it was unfair to be banned for the reason that I was. Yes I have managed to circuit ben an R-8and yes I refuse to give specific details on how it was done, but I hae just read the commens from Circuitbenders themselves, who state that they will not give details of their bends either. So what went wrong is my question?
After building 195 circuit bent machines and selling 189 of them for a rather large amount of money I now see this as a viable buisness and will be pushing my ideas further. Selling on ebay is such a good way to earn a living and as I have said in previous messages, I am earning a good living from something that I have been doing since secondry school. The whole idea was to avoid orking for the man and fuel mylove of making electronicmusic, which I have been doing since 1986. If anyone is interested I recorded under the name of INTERLECT 3000 with my now brother in-law Daren Ager.
We achieved a great amount of success with our projects and released material with some ofthe top underground record labels at the time. Such as SMTTEN, TRUELOVE, PHANTASM, RUMOUR, EDEL etc. We also featured on the very first cover mount CD of FUTURE MUSIC MAGAZINE (most of you out ther will have a copy) with two tracks and 19 drum loops. We are now known in certain circles as he pioneers ofthe new ACID TECHNO STYLE along with HARDFLOOR. So as you can see I am in this for life and would like to ask you to visit the PHONICPOTION YOUTBE SITE to listen to some very recent material that I have just posted.
We Have launched the S-CAT competition recently on YOUTUBE and the prize is one of our 9 MOD CASIO VL-1's, We are seriously thinking about starting a CIRCUIT BENT RCORD LABEL and would like people to send us their material for the project.
If I had not been banned then maybe you coulld of ended up having a decent conversation with me, but please do not ask me to give you details on the S-CAT MODIFICATIONS, as I make a living rom my random skills and think that I am just in refusing to gie the ideas away. I am working hard and enjoying what I am doing and have always had the ambition to produce an own design drum machine. I do not have qualifications in the electroics field but with the last year being spent on circuit bending I am now becomig aware of the rules.
If you want to keep me of the site thats fair enough, but you are probably making the wrong choice.
Arron from S-CAT & PHONIC-POTION/RETRO-70.
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You have metioned about the add on, which is where the coversation would have gone if I had been given the chance to speak. I am not as stupid as you may think and would be happy to discuss the issue further with you.
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Please explain to me what the pont of the forum is? I was under the impression hat it was to discuss circuit bending and when someone saysan R-8 can not be circuitbent then I thought I was perfectly within my rights to ention that I have done it and also not be told that if I did not tell everyone that I would be banned from this site.
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It is more than a hobby when you have sold over 180 circuit bent machines. Try asking CIRCUITBENDERS UK. to give you the full details on their better machines. Knowledge is power my friend.
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Before you decided to tell everyone just how clever you are after reading a dictionary and quoting what SCAT is , did younot think that since the name has an animal in the title that there could be a possible deliberate point being made when we decided to use the name S-CAT?
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And yet STILL you are getting on here somehow and being offensive and obnoxious. Does it really matter to you that much?
I have nothing to say to you S-CAT and i really don't see what you are trying to prove. It seems that most people on this forum appear to think that you are an idiot. You can try and wind me up all you want to get the response you seem to crave. i just don't care.
Well done on all your fantastic achievements. I'm not at all certain what all that proves and I'm not at all certain why you are under the impression that anyone would care.
I suggest you seek professional help.
Or maybe not bother posting when you are either drunk or off your face.
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Are you laying to the crowd or is that your own opinion?
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OK, you have one response before i ban your new IP again, so you best make it a good one.
I simply can't wait to witness the comedy hilarity you're going to come up with for this one.
MAKE IT SO!
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You are not takin all of these replys that I am leaving for everyone else as messages for you are you? maybe you have got the wrong end of the stick here.
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well that was disappointing.
Allow me to quote from the forum rules:
* Forum Members that post details of their bent machines but persistantly refuse to supply any information on how their mods were performed when asked, will be warned and then banned. This forum is for the exchange of information and tips not gratuitous self promotion.
* Abusive and obnoxious behaviour will not be tolerated.
You fail on both counts i'm afraid.
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You should of banned him already, for ban evading!
I'm tired of this guy spamming my "Most recent 10 posts" list.
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And anyway, I bet the R8 *is* bendable if you know how to go about it. You're probably going to have to do more than just short wires across the pins of chips though.
I reckon changing the samples would be easy, too.
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And anyway, I bet the R8 *is* bendable if you know how to go about it. You're probably going to have to do more than just short wires across the pins of chips though.
It probably is with a bit of effort. Unlike S-CAT I'd like to think that if you managed it then you'd let people know how you did it if they asked though.
I don't really understand this 'keeping mods secret to protect your business' thing that S-CAT seems to have going on. Thats a fair enough argument if you were building something from scratch but with circuitbending, i could probably get hold of virtually any machine by the end of this week and come up with exactly the same bends as anyone else has come up with for that machine in a matter of hours!
I'm not sure what S-CAT is referring to when he says 'Try asking CIRCUITBENDERS UK. to give you the full details on their better machines'. Go on, someone try it :D
True, I'm not about to give someone a precise DIY guide from beginning to end about how to do exactly our mods on something, but thats not because i feel the need to keep secrets for my multinational circuitbending empire. Thats because I'd prefer for people to think for themselves and maybe come up with something new rather than just copying exactly what someone else has done, and if they do come up with something new I'd appreciate it as much as anyone else if they came on here and told people about it.
I'm quite happy to give people advice and tips about how to go about bending just about any machine that I've still got notes for and i don't doubt that from there anyone could come up with anything I've ever done, and probably do it better. :)
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Oh dear god, i think i might piss myself laughing!
Sorry to ressurect this thread once again but i just got an email from one Abigael Saward asking me if i have any plans for the Roland R5 available. A little research reveals that someone of that name just so happens to be the wife of one Arron Courts, who some of you might know as S-CAT! ;D ;D ;D
After their complete and utter point blank refusal to give any details of any of their mods the irony is crippling me. ::)
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ooooh the cheek
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Whahaha and it goes on.
I'm surprised that someone who claims to have bent an R-8 needs advice for an R-5.
In the meanwhile, I have bent my second R-5. It's the same standard procedure as I described in my posts about the R-8 bend, find sound roms (there are two just side by side, 28pin or 32pin, don't remember) and do the usual shorting. The FTQP or what-wasit-called SMD chip nearby seems to be the usual gate array Roland always uses, and has the most interesting ones. Sorry that I can't supply any pictures at the moment, but any half-experienced bender should be able to easily do an R-5 like that.
At the back there is space for a DB25 connector conviently just above/behind the solder side of the sound roms, you just have to cut out the metal reinforcment plate for that. I built an external box which connects like that. Apart from the mechanical work, I have to say all in all an R-5 is pretty easy to bend and sounds all fun again:
http://lonestar.madtracker.net/Musix/TR-5.mp3
And now get out your R-5s and have fun!
EDIT: I have found a pic of my first R-5
(http://lonestar.madtracker.net/Pix/R5in.jpg)
On this one I fit the DB25 connector to the side, but from that view below the sound roms there is the space I talked about.
That pic should help to locate everything needed.
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keep watching the fury creature grow? ::)
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keep watching the fury creature grow? ::)
It passes the time i guess ;)
Lonestar81, can you start another topic on the R5 as i suspect a few people might be interested, or stick some details in your R8 thread. Your pictures don't seem to be showiing up for me for some reason.
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Your pictures don't seem to be showiing up for me for some reason.
Fixed :)
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Oh dear god, i think i might piss myself laughing!
Sorry to ressurect this thread once again but i just got an email from one Abigael Saward asking me if i have any plans for the Roland R5 available. A little research reveals that someone of that name just so happens to be the wife of one Arron Courts, who some of you might know as S-CAT! ;D ;D ;D
After their complete and utter point blank refusal to give any details of any of their mods the irony is crippling me. ::)
Hello, It is me again.
I am very sorry to anyone who may be offended by my past comments on this site and would like to appologise in full. In reference to the above post...I contacted the forum to ask about the Roland R-5 mods, in hope of being able to come back on the site, we had previously modified a Roland R-5 which was around 2 or thre months before asking this leading question. Here is a link to the video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2sBkJ8V7Gg
Arron
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And anyway, I bet the R8 *is* bendable if you know how to go about it. You're probably going to have to do more than just short wires across the pins of chips though.
I reckon changing the samples would be easy, too.
As you can see from the pictures above of the R-8 it is as simple as short wiring across the chips, sometimes it is best to not know what you are doing to start with and then back track once your confidence grows, it works for us.
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well that was disappointing.
Allow me to quote from the forum rules:
* Forum Members that post details of their bent machines but persistantly refuse to supply any information on how their mods were performed when asked, will be warned and then banned. This forum is for the exchange of information and tips not gratuitous self promotion.
* Abusive and obnoxious behaviour will not be tolerated.
You fail on both counts i'm afraid.
Could you quote an obnoxious message that I had left on this site, just so that I know what got me banned in the first place?
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Has anyone else seen s-cats other ebay account selling all the stuff he's broken trying to bend it. I won't put a link up as it will just get removed but there was a bass station claiming it had been 'damaged in the post', a 'non functioning' Roland R8 - surprise surprise, and a load of 'original used parts' from things like 707's, 101's & 606's!
What an impressive circuitbender he must be.
Just a note here to set the rcord straight, we do not sell vintage spares from failed circuit bent projects, the Roland TR-606 spares that we have been selling are are very good source of income for us. We managed to buy a damaged TR-606 for just £25.00 and sold it on ebay after breaking it down for an amasing £600.00 so as you can see, why circuit bend them. You would not get that price on a modified unit.
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I really still am ::) about his copyright crap. His argument logic would NEVER hold up in a Civil court - I hope Roland busts him big and good if he continues claiming circuit designs and "modifications" as his own copyrighted idea ::)
Think about it. Thousands of benders across the world have connected part of a circuit in a drum machine with a wire from here to there to get a different sound. What's to say some kid with an R8 hasn't already discovered S-Cat's bends first? Is S-Cat going to sue him for "breach of copyright" What if an R8 goes faulty and causes itself to have the same bend internally, causing the same sound? Will he sue Roland?
Roland will not even allow you to copy a cosmetic aspect of their equipment - such as a colour scheme, logo, shape, let alone modify a patented circuit of theirs - I know because people on software design forums have made VST versions of Roland gear and have been given cease and desist letters from Roland - I've seen them. And modifying a circuit does not give you copyright privelidges.
In order to have a genuine copyright, S-cat would have to produce an independent "add-on" circuit that would not have anything in common with the Roland circuit or design or function - such as a module or expansion board - and sold as an independent add-on product - not a part of any of the Roland circuit - meaning that the add-on would function in its own right no matter what you attached it to - it must not need the R8 circuit design for the bend to work. An example would be a VCF external circuit - if you could find one not already copyrighted.
And it couldn't be a circuit consisting of a few wires and switches in certain places - you can't copyright wires and switches - they are subject to their own maufacturers copyrights or licences, if you want to argue the point.
You can't fool me SCAT I've been down this legal road myself before with the Alesis MMT8 and I tell you that Roland would butcher you if you tried to copyright your bend it unless you built a 3rd party add-on "module" that was independent from the R8 and absolutely completely different in design from any other design already copyrighted.
How so very "hubrous" (look it up :D )
Cheers, Graham
You have written the details in full for me here, I was not given the chance to give full details and all that needed to be added is that if a machine was put into production with an independant add on, then a contract of joint copyright owner ship would have to be drawn up before production began. It is the obvious step forward for any serious circuit bender who want to make a career out of their designs.
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I just had a look at a few videos of his stuff, just to see what all his hype was about. Well, basically that's what it turned out to be - hype!
Most of his sounds were just digital distortion stuff - like when you fool around with data lines or overdriving sounds. You could do 90% of what he does with a distortion pedal on the output of your keyboard. Lots of videos of keyboards and drum machines doing the same stuff that you hear being done by people on this forum. And he wants to copyright that?? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Cheers, Graham
Distortion pedals will cause alot of background noise, I used to use 10 distortion pedals when playing live(sequenced) techno, the distortion bends that we find do not have the noise, which is a bonus for the musicians that buy our machines to make music, rather than talk about technical bollox all of the time.
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What a shame!
could have been a interessting brainstorming...
... but thinking about money had destroyed a lot in history.
The R8 can also be used as a MIDI Trigger (the pads send MIDI messages)
I don't have to bend everything I get into my fingers.
maybe there are some other interesting (and free) stuff in other threads here ...
@S-CAT:
I think I can understand you a bit,
"cool, I've done something others want to know...but wait...I can earn some money with this maybe"
Tip:
Build a simple 12AX7 tubepreamp circuit inside the R8 and you get 10x times the money.
good luck with you buisness ...
What price would we expect to get for an R-8 with the simple 12AX7 preamp? We have been offered £375.00 for our modified R-8 and to add a zero sounds interesting, but who would buy such a thing when they can get the R-8 for £375.00 and maybe have a 12AX7 unit built for under £100 and use it to run any instrument through?
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I agree.
Cheers, Graham
We would be very interested to see the machines that you were building in your first year of circuit bending.
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have copy rights on all of our machines.
WHAT!? i don't think so. Are you copyrighting the idea of removing and replacing a clock resistor? Are you copyrighting the idea of a voltage cut crash? In that case i'm copyrighting here and now the technique of shorting the pins of a sound ROM chip together which means from now on nobody can build circuitbent drum machines to your own designs or anyone elses designs unless you pay me a licencing fee. ;D I do hope you won't ever be putting a patchbay on anything as you might be violating a circuitbenders.co.uk copyright ;D I think its a safe bet that you can't copyright any circuitbending ideas or Reed Ghazala would own us all.
So much for an open sharing of information.
We are sure that the books that he sells has copyright notices on it, but without seeing a copy, do not quote us on that.
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Please mate, i have already asked you once to stop putting up separate posts answering every single little point. I'd appreciate it if you want to answer what people have said then do it in one post and edit it when you have something else to say.
People don't want their inboxes stuffed full of 100 messages saying you've replied to a thread.
thanks.
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Please mate, i have already asked you once to stop putting up separate posts answering every single little point. I'd appreciate it if you want to answer what people have said then do it in one post and edit it when you have something else to say.
People don't want their inboxes stuffed full of 100 messages saying you've replied to a thread.
thanks.
How is that done, do I just click reply rather than quote?
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If you scroll down on the 'post reply' page you can use the 'insert quote' function to quote posts a certain way back from the thread. Unfortunately in this thread you can't really do that because they are all your posts, which is another reason why its better to answer in one big post with multiple quotes.
or just open another window/tab, find the message you want to quote. click the quote button and copy & paste the result into the window your using to reply, thats probably the way i'd do it if i wanted to quote from several posts at once anyway.
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So now what's the meaning of this posting found in the comments section of his bent R-5 video on youtube?
"Yes we could do that, as we seem to be the only circuit benders who can do it according to the "circuit benders UK" forum, we also can do the same thing with the Roland R-8. What price would you be willing to pay for one like this?"
It's from 2 days ago.
This post by Lonestar81 ( http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,373.msg5143.html#msg5143 ) was from 01. March 09.
So your comment is a plain lie! Why don't you quit telling nonsense, S-CAT?
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So now what's the meaning of this posting found in the comments section of his bent R-5 video on youtube?
"Yes we could do that, as we seem to be the only circuit benders who can do it according to the "circuit benders UK" forum, we also can do the same thing with the Roland R-8. What price would you be willing to pay for one like this?"
It's from 2 days ago.
This post by Lonestar81 ( http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,373.msg5143.html#msg5143 ) was from 01. March 09.
So your comment is a plain lie! Why don't you quit telling nonsense, S-CAT?
The time that this was posted on our youtube site, the facts stood as far as we knew, we were only aloud back on this forum today and would you believe it someone has posted the pictures on how to do it, there is no need to be obnoxious as this will only get you banned from the site. If you look back in the S-cat thread you will see that we first came on this site telling people that we had modified a Roland R-8, which at that time was on the list of machines that could not be circuit bent. What do you mean by plain lie, are you get your facts mixed up? Please explain this rude message, as I am very distressed now and may even withdraw my membership from this site. LO(fuckin)L
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The time that this was posted on our youtube site, the facts stood as far as we knew, we were only aloud back on this forum today and would you believe it someone has posted the pictures on how to do it,
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so i don't understand how on zoinky420's yahoo bending site theres a message from you dated 9th March saying
'There are not any posts from us on the "Circuit benders forum" that "pump"
people for bending techniques, please tke a look for your self, you may find a
very recent post, that asks about how to bend a "Roland R-5 Drum machine" but
this was a leading question that was posted by "CBUK" themselves,'
So it seems that you must be lying in one of these posts, as unless you are psychic it looks like you must have read the messages on this forum, so you probably owe deathbender an apology there.
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The time that this was posted on our youtube site, the facts stood as far as we knew, we were only aloud back on this forum today and would you believe it someone has posted the pictures on how to do it,
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so i don't understand how on zoinky420's yahoo bending site theres a message from you dated 9th March saying
'There are not any posts from us on the "Circuit benders forum" that "pump"
people for bending techniques, please tke a look for your self, you may find a
very recent post, that asks about how to bend a "Roland R-5 Drum machine" but
this was a leading question that was posted by "CBUK" themselves,'
So it seems that you must be lying in one of these posts, as unless you are psychic it looks like you must have read the messages on this forum, so you probably owe deathbender an apology there.
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You again have got your facts wrong, please will you take a look to see who posted that question from us, I think that you will find that circuit benders uk. put it there themselves, a message was sent to them directly and not via the forum, they then contacted us to say that they had posted it because it was ironically funny after all the ho hum with the R-8 thread, but we had already built and sold our modified R-5 at the time of sending the message to them as a way to try and get back on the site. This is like tv tennis! and I am not talking about dressing up here!
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If you scroll down on the 'post reply' page you can use the 'insert quote' function to quote posts a certain way back from the thread. Unfortunately in this thread you can't really do that because they are all your posts, which is another reason why its better to answer in one big post with multiple quotes.
or just open another window/tab, find the message you want to quote. click the quote button and copy & paste the result into the window your using to reply, thats probably the way i'd do it if i wanted to quote from several posts at once anyway.
Thankyou for the pointer, how am I doing so far? All that I have been doing so far is trying to set the records straight with certain members, It can be hard sometimes when people have such jaded views of us here at S-CAT but we soldier on. Thankyou for letting us (me) back on the site, I really appreciate it.
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Oh, S-CAT...
1) I bent my first R-5 in summer 2006, and shortly after that an R-8.
2) The fact that I didn't publish it on the internet doesn't change a thing.
3) What makes you think circuitbenders.co.uk is THE site where everyone posts their bends?
4) What makes you think something which isn't posted on this site hasn't been done?
I strongly believe you just want to create a hype around yourself and your work, in order to make more money.
"We are the only ones who can do it" my arse.
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Hello,
Thankyou for contacting me about this touchy subject, I first came on this site and read in the list of unbendable machines that the R-8 could not be done, It may or may not still be there for you to read yourself.
I do not think that this is the site where everyone posts there bends, as I replied to the non bendable R-8 thread and said that I had achieved it, when asked to reveal what I had found, I refused and was banned from the site for not sharing info and insulting a few people on the way by talking about how good I felt that our machines are. ::)
If you take a look at our R-5 video on youtube, then you will see that someone asked us to build a unit to the same spec for them. I replied that we could do it for them as according to the Circuit benders UK site, that we were the only ones who could do it. Now this was a tongue in cheek joke of a reply and I am surprised to see that you could not see that. :D
We here at S-Cat have a 9 month old baby girl and the way that we choose to earn money is from selling circuit bent machines asd a full time occupation, we do not have any other source of income. So surely to earn money this way is a good thing and not a crime against the circuit bending community.
To earn money from this takes more than just circuit bending, we build 4 machines per week and make 4 videos to go with them, which we post on youtube, we then pack and send the four items. This takes a lot of hours to achieve and is a full time job. In amongst it we respond to messages on ebay and search for new machines to work on. We pay taxes just as anyone else does and prefer to be working for ourselves and spending time with our daughter as she grows up.
Please could some one tell me what the real reason is that people want to knock us here at S-CAT, because at the moment it all points to being due to us earning money. We do not use other peoples ideas and do not leach from this site or infact any other circuit bending information pot on the internet. We only use our own bends, we try to style the machines to look original and keep our ebay listings based on what the machines can do after being modified.
Arron ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I'm surprised that someone who claims to have bent an R-8 needs advice for an R-5.
If you take a look on our youtube site, you will see that we have a modified R-5 with 21 bends that was posted before the r-5 question was posted . I am not trying to case any problems here for you and just wanted to point out that I did not ask for the R-5 mods to be told how to do it but it seems to have caused alot of confusion for certain members on this site.
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Has anyone else noticed that on any forum the only people who write in a different colour to everyone else are the mentalists who crave attention and end up getting banned or leaving after causing a load of trouble?
All you circuitbenders oldtimers probably remember papaspank on this forum who used to use exactly the same colour as s-cat and was equally as barking mad. I recall someone else as well but i'm not sure who it was.
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...apart from the fact that dark green on black is fucking annoying to read. I always highlight his text so it gets easier for the eyes.
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Has anyone else noticed that on any forum the only people who write in a different colour to everyone else are the mentalists who crave attention and end up getting banned or leaving after causing a load of trouble?
All you circuitbenders oldtimers probably remember papaspank on this forum who used to use exactly the same colour as s-cat and was equally as barking mad.
MAD? If colour denotes madness, the you must be mad!
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...apart from the fact that dark green on black is fucking annoying to read. I always highlight his text so it gets easier for the eyes.
Thanks for the heads up on the green text.
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Right, i'm locking this thread otherwise its never going to die.